1 00:00:03,710 --> 00:00:01,730 welcome back everybody it's going to be 2 00:00:05,990 --> 00:00:03,720 another great day today uh today we're 3 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:06,000 talking about spirituality and not in 4 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:08,460 the sense of you know keeping it vague 5 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:10,679 and just you know us as sentient beings 6 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:12,719 we want to get specific and I'm sure 7 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:13,920 we're going to ruffle some feathers 8 00:00:19,310 --> 00:00:16,560 today because we have a uh a Christian 9 00:00:21,890 --> 00:00:19,320 Reverend who is a Believer and an 10 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:21,900 experiencer who's not scared to say that 11 00:00:25,849 --> 00:00:23,760 religion may not have all the answers 12 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:25,859 and I don't know about you Jay but I 13 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:28,140 think that's a pretty difficult thing to 14 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:31,080 say as an artist it's a huge move you 15 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:33,120 don't see that very often I know that 16 00:00:37,729 --> 00:00:35,280 John Mack and Bud Hopkins said that 17 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,739 people from all walks in life uh you 18 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:39,600 know have these experiences we've had 19 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:41,340 people on the podcast that we're super 20 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:43,500 religious and have had these experiences 21 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:46,260 as well so hearing it from you know a 22 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:48,300 reverend that is 23 00:00:52,850 --> 00:00:50,760 such a cool guy and I'm looking forward 24 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:52,860 to this interview very much yeah and I 25 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:54,920 think we we all have kind of little 26 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:57,840 grasps of stuff like we we understand a 27 00:01:01,130 --> 00:00:59,460 little bit of Consciousness spirituality 28 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:01,140 and we kind of think aliens are real and 29 00:01:05,870 --> 00:01:03,960 UFOs but how do you make sense of all of 30 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:05,880 that we really need our brain wants to 31 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:08,340 rank and file everything so I know at 32 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,840 least for myself and a lot of other 33 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:12,000 people we're on this quest to try to 34 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:14,040 learn more and really make sense of it 35 00:01:17,570 --> 00:01:15,900 and how do you reconcile that with your 36 00:01:19,609 --> 00:01:17,580 faith or with what you've been taught 37 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:19,619 your entire life so we're going to ask 38 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:21,360 them some very specific questions we're 39 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:23,280 going to talk about multiple religions 40 00:01:28,730 --> 00:01:25,979 around the world Doctrine accuracies 41 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:28,740 fallacies uh it's going to be a 42 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:30,420 different kind of show but I think a 43 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:33,299 show that is overdue and uh with a 44 00:01:36,109 --> 00:01:34,860 character like Michael I don't say oh 45 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:36,119 anybody's not going to love them I know 46 00:01:39,289 --> 00:01:38,100 we do and I'm ready to bring them on so 47 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:39,299 we'll be right back we're going to run 48 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:41,220 our intro music and we're going to bring 49 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:42,720 on Reverend Michael Carter right after 50 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:45,180 this let's do it 51 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:02,800 [Music] 52 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:12,229 podcast my name is Louis Borges joining 53 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:14,040 me as always my good friend and co-host 54 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:16,620 Mr Jason Gilman how you doing I'm doing 55 00:02:20,510 --> 00:02:18,300 very good the reverend's in the house 56 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:20,520 today so we're gonna have some fun 57 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:23,040 Reverend is here hey y'all and we're 58 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:24,420 gonna uh we're probably gonna ruffle 59 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:25,680 some feathers today because we're gonna 60 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:27,420 we're gonna talk about a topic that a 61 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:28,800 lot of people are really polarized on 62 00:02:32,089 --> 00:02:31,140 whether you're a believer of you know 63 00:02:34,510 --> 00:02:32,099 God 64 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:34,520 quote unquote uh you know very religious 65 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:37,080 spiritual agnostic whatever you define 66 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:39,420 your faith as there are implications 67 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:40,680 when it comes to this whole ET 68 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:42,720 phenomenon and today's guest knows more 69 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:43,980 about that than anybody we've ever 70 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:46,080 spoken to uh he's author of several 71 00:02:49,970 --> 00:02:48,480 books including alien scriptures uh he's 72 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:49,980 appeared on television programs like 73 00:02:55,130 --> 00:02:52,800 Ancient Aliens multiple Seasons uh he is 74 00:02:58,130 --> 00:02:55,140 an ordained minister and legit Reverend 75 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:58,140 uh multiple ET experiencer himself it 76 00:03:02,210 --> 00:02:59,700 doesn't get any more qualified than that 77 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:02,220 so with a warm welcome Mr Reverend 78 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:04,440 Michael Carter welcome to the show hey 79 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:06,720 y'all how you doing thanks for having me 80 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:08,160 you know what I should have kept my suit 81 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,680 on I'm just I'm just looking here I mean 82 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:12,959 I I had service today so I came home and 83 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:15,120 I I just took it off you guys look great 84 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:17,040 I know you had something on with how do 85 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:18,540 you like us and how suit and ties it's 86 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:21,360 classy yes we started doing it last year 87 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:22,800 and we thought like we wear suits for 88 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:24,720 our day jobs where this is our business 89 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:27,420 attire and one day we uh we were just 90 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:29,099 off work and did a show and we thought 91 00:03:32,509 --> 00:03:30,540 you know what looks good nobody else is 92 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:32,519 doing it some guys are wearing it and 93 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:34,800 rip t-shirts and jeans and stuff so 94 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:36,959 let's uh let's take it seriously yeah 95 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:39,239 yeah if we take ourselves seriously 96 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:40,920 other people take us seriously you know 97 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:42,959 that's that's why it is right what a 98 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:45,480 concept exactly so we want to get to 99 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:48,180 know you in terms of uh your life uh 100 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:50,099 your experiences and what eventually you 101 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:52,500 know kind of sparked that fire to really 102 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:54,480 become a man of God and help other 103 00:03:57,949 --> 00:03:56,580 people understand God themselves so tell 104 00:03:59,990 --> 00:03:57,959 us a little bit about your your 105 00:04:02,449 --> 00:04:00,000 experiences growing up and what got you 106 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:02,459 on the path thank you and again thanks 107 00:04:05,210 --> 00:04:03,780 for having me on guys I've been looking 108 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:05,220 forward to it 109 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:07,140 um you know I was raised in the 110 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:09,360 African-American Baptist tradition 111 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:12,180 and so that's that's where I was raised 112 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:15,599 you know and I remember you know just 113 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:17,340 studying and I could give you Bible 114 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:19,440 quotes but Matthew was my favorite book 115 00:04:24,409 --> 00:04:22,740 and and part of that guys was you know 116 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:24,419 as a kid you want to please your parents 117 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:25,680 but I don't know whether it was a past 118 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:27,840 life thing or whatever but I was I'm 119 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:30,300 always comfortable in houses of worship 120 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:32,880 now I couldn't articulate that as a kid 121 00:04:36,590 --> 00:04:35,320 and so I remember 122 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:36,600 [Music] 123 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:37,800 um 124 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:40,500 you know I mean I got baptized on Easter 125 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:42,660 Sunday 1980 at Trinity Baptist Church 126 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:45,300 and you know I did I did the things that 127 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:47,280 one does I was visiting Catholic 128 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:49,320 churches and other churches there was a 129 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:52,320 a girl I had a crush on when I was a 130 00:04:56,990 --> 00:04:54,240 teenager she was she went to Saint 131 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:57,000 Ambrose uh Catholic church and so did I 132 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:00,000 because I just wanted to see her so you 133 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:02,820 know I did those things and my parents 134 00:05:06,730 --> 00:05:04,800 are still you know steeped in that 135 00:05:10,969 --> 00:05:06,740 tradition they're elderly 136 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:10,979 I would not even look at uh you know I 137 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:12,840 just didn't believe in UFOs and I said 138 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:14,880 why because they weren't in the Bible 139 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:18,000 and um so that's that's kind of my 140 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:21,840 background it's not now I'm 360 away 141 00:05:26,270 --> 00:05:24,060 from that and part of that was because 142 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:26,280 of my experiences but you know I wear 143 00:05:32,029 --> 00:05:29,460 many hats I try to be you know grounded 144 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,039 I mean I got a a well she'll be 17 next 145 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:34,080 month I got a daughter I just got 146 00:05:40,909 --> 00:05:38,460 married again uh in November I got I got 147 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:40,919 it I just bought a house you know so you 148 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:42,360 know you you know you don't want to be 149 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,280 so Heavenly minded that you know Earthly 150 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:46,620 good Thoreau reminds us so you know you 151 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:48,000 got to get up in the morning pay the 152 00:05:52,969 --> 00:05:49,199 bills go to work 153 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:55,730 um encounter that I knew of as an adult 154 00:05:59,930 --> 00:05:57,840 now looking back you know Kierkegaard 155 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:59,940 one of my favorite favorite philosophers 156 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:01,440 says life has lived forward but it's 157 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:03,780 only understood backwards and you know 158 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:05,580 looking back when I was a child I could 159 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:08,880 say oh my God I was having visits then 160 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:14,639 but July I'm sorry uh December 28 1989 161 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:18,720 was when I first had 162 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:22,620 no doubt that I had I was being visited 163 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:25,740 by by they looked the people look like 164 00:06:30,469 --> 00:06:27,780 this 165 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:30,479 I don't know if you can see it okay so I 166 00:06:34,430 --> 00:06:32,639 come closer yeah for those who are 167 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:34,440 listening to the podcast and can't see 168 00:06:38,749 --> 00:06:36,600 the visuals it looks like a great person 169 00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:38,759 with a big pear-shaped head and and and 170 00:06:42,529 --> 00:06:41,220 and let me put him in here they weren't 171 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:42,539 dressed like that they had on like a 172 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:45,300 jumpsuit I I had this artist put a 173 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:47,039 Buddha robe on her because that's what I 174 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:48,000 want 175 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:50,520 um but December 28 1989 I was coming 176 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:53,340 back from the pyramids at chitsunizza 177 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:55,860 and Tulum and I want to uh preference 178 00:06:59,510 --> 00:06:57,060 this with 179 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:59,520 you know guys once I once I started 180 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:01,680 moving away from the Baptist tradition 181 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:04,380 you know I was starting to read reading 182 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:06,960 existential philosophers I was starting 183 00:07:12,590 --> 00:07:09,840 to read about auras and tarot card you 184 00:07:14,450 --> 00:07:12,600 know I was broadening my scope now my my 185 00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:14,460 more conservative friends would probably 186 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:16,259 say well that's the devil you would do 187 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:18,479 it but I don't look at it that way so I 188 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:20,340 was just reading and studying I was 189 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:22,020 going to you know Unity Church 190 00:07:28,450 --> 00:07:25,440 metaphysics uh signs of mind I was 191 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:28,460 exploring I was broadening my horizons 192 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:32,160 December 28 1989 I was living in New 193 00:07:38,469 --> 00:07:35,160 York I was an actor there uh I was I 194 00:07:44,089 --> 00:07:38,479 lived there for 28 years 27 years 195 00:07:46,490 --> 00:07:44,099 and we came home we got off at JFK my 196 00:07:49,309 --> 00:07:46,500 girlfriend at the time 197 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:49,319 um said I'm gonna stay home it was 198 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:51,300 freezing and we just come back from 85 199 00:07:55,129 --> 00:07:53,460 Degrees I kind of wanted to show off a 200 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:55,139 little bit show the picture you know I 201 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:57,060 just wanted to hang out so I went down 202 00:08:02,210 --> 00:07:58,860 to Hell's Kitchen in Times Square that's 203 00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:02,220 where this Gathering was and you know 204 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:05,639 just kind of hung out I was nice and 205 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:08,340 copper and the hair was lighter and you 206 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:10,500 were looking good I didn't have 207 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:12,360 dreadlocks then but 208 00:08:19,189 --> 00:08:15,479 um you know and and so we talked no 209 00:08:22,249 --> 00:08:19,199 adult beverages were served none uh but 210 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:22,259 I'm a deviled egg freak so I just ate I 211 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:23,400 stuffed myself 212 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:26,099 uh and then I went back home 213 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:28,680 caught the subway back to the upper west 214 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:30,180 side and 215 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:32,279 like I said to this day I don't know 216 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:35,880 whether I had to get up to go to the 217 00:08:41,630 --> 00:08:39,120 bathroom I don't know but I just felt 218 00:08:44,350 --> 00:08:41,640 the presence in the room and I sleep on 219 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:44,360 my stomach and when I turned around 220 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:48,360 this guy was there about four feet tall 221 00:08:52,009 --> 00:08:50,100 no it couldn't have been taller I 222 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:52,019 couldn't have I mean what a little 223 00:08:57,949 --> 00:08:55,560 person and had on a jumpsuit that looked 224 00:09:00,590 --> 00:08:57,959 it was like a lot of like a turtleneck 225 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:00,600 you know it was just one piece 226 00:09:04,130 --> 00:09:02,760 um and it was like Reynolds Wrap it 227 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:04,140 would look like it looked like aluminum 228 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:07,200 foil that he had on 229 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:10,920 my girlfriend Sandy did not budge she 230 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:12,720 was like out 231 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:15,600 and this guy looked at me and it could 232 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:17,160 have been a woman but I'm going to say 233 00:09:19,970 --> 00:09:18,600 guy 234 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:19,980 um I don't want to offend anybody but 235 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:21,360 that's 236 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:24,360 and they're around him at the foot of my 237 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:27,839 bed was a blue light like a Lapis cobalt 238 00:09:33,170 --> 00:09:30,300 blue and then around that was just like 239 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:33,180 my my my my apartment was lit up like 240 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:34,880 Times Square 241 00:09:43,070 --> 00:09:40,380 I have never been so scared in my life 242 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:43,080 and I've been in some scary situations I 243 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:45,600 had a cop put a gun up to my head when I 244 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:47,640 was 17 years old and I'm going to tell 245 00:09:51,889 --> 00:09:49,980 you you talk about meditation you want 246 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:51,899 to talk about things coming alive I was 247 00:09:59,630 --> 00:09:54,839 like whoa colors were brighter it was 248 00:10:02,389 --> 00:09:59,640 weird but that was fear but this was it 249 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:02,399 was an existential fear because he 250 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:04,320 didn't look like 251 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:07,440 you know a human being 252 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:10,260 I pulled the covers up over my head and 253 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:12,420 got into the fetal position 254 00:10:16,509 --> 00:10:14,760 I didn't do that with the cop 255 00:10:20,509 --> 00:10:16,519 right and so 256 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:20,519 I mean we were outside but anyway 257 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:21,540 um 258 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:30,110 and it was like like the wind was in my 259 00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:34,260 apartment Sandy's still out and for and 260 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:36,240 then it felt like I was outside 261 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:39,060 and this was at the Excelsior Hotel it's 262 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:41,040 a residential Hotel it's still there 45 263 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:43,680 West 81st Street between Central Park 264 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:46,680 West and Columbus Avenue and I was like 265 00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:48,959 freezing all of a sudden and my mind is 266 00:10:52,430 --> 00:10:50,240 trying to 267 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:52,440 compartmentalize and deal with all this 268 00:11:01,550 --> 00:10:56,399 stuff I finally uh grew a pair and I 269 00:11:05,930 --> 00:11:03,550 no one was there 270 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:05,940 Sandy wakes up 271 00:11:10,130 --> 00:11:08,399 I tell her what happened she was freaked 272 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:10,140 out not because of what I told him 273 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:12,600 because of me I mean I was shaking I was 274 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:13,800 so scared 275 00:11:18,889 --> 00:11:16,079 and so 276 00:11:21,650 --> 00:11:18,899 um you know she she hung in there with 277 00:11:23,329 --> 00:11:21,660 me those many years I mean we later uh 278 00:11:24,829 --> 00:11:23,339 got divorced and separated but not 279 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:24,839 because of that it was a life 280 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:30,480 circumstances and so that was my first 281 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:33,000 kind of contact 282 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:36,720 where I could see them how many floors 283 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:38,940 up were you in this hotel 284 00:11:46,670 --> 00:11:43,260 well in that at that time it was at 15th 285 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:46,680 floor 15 floors that's crazy yeah it is 286 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:48,300 crazy it's not like Betty and Barney 287 00:11:52,190 --> 00:11:50,160 Hill where you're on this Rural Road 288 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:52,200 yeah because Bud Hawkins had that case 289 00:11:57,410 --> 00:11:54,360 too about that lady in New York uh the 290 00:12:03,650 --> 00:11:59,150 were very friendly 291 00:12:07,009 --> 00:12:03,660 we just saw blood regressed me 292 00:12:09,530 --> 00:12:07,019 um we just saw the thing we just saw we 293 00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:09,540 just saw it from a different way 294 00:12:13,009 --> 00:12:11,760 um because he well I'll get into it with 295 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:13,019 my brother but 296 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:18,769 I was getting I was I was getting visits 297 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:21,600 twice a month for about eight months 298 00:12:28,250 --> 00:12:24,300 maybe almost a year 299 00:12:29,150 --> 00:12:28,260 and they would come on a full moon in a 300 00:12:32,269 --> 00:12:29,160 new moon 301 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:32,279 it got to be like clockwork 302 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:34,800 and they would paralyze me they'd been 303 00:12:38,210 --> 00:12:36,360 the little short people because I've 304 00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:38,220 seen other races and we can talk about 305 00:12:44,569 --> 00:12:41,760 that and they wouldn't talk they would 306 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:44,579 show me pictures here in my third eye 307 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:46,260 but they would always paralyze me I 308 00:12:49,490 --> 00:12:47,220 don't know whether it was their 309 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:49,500 protection or for mine 310 00:12:52,670 --> 00:12:51,480 they showed me a past life where I was a 311 00:12:54,889 --> 00:12:52,680 monk 312 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:54,899 okay so this whole religion thing I see 313 00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:56,760 why it comes easy to me because I've 314 00:13:00,290 --> 00:12:58,380 been doing it for years 315 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:00,300 they showed me a picture of a future 316 00:13:05,629 --> 00:13:02,940 event that did happen I was I was 317 00:13:08,210 --> 00:13:05,639 speaking at this big church man and I 318 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:08,220 had this three-piece suit on that I 319 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:12,000 later wound up getting it was eerie 320 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:15,420 and but at that time I started uh you 321 00:13:20,210 --> 00:13:17,940 know I was I I I I went to a therapist I 322 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:20,220 was I wasn't sleeping I still have a 323 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:21,300 little 324 00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:22,579 um 325 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:28,320 to go to sleep sometime at night and 326 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:30,420 especially like my wife's going out of 327 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:31,560 town tomorrow for a couple days 328 00:13:35,449 --> 00:13:33,420 sometimes it's hard for me to sleep by 329 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:35,459 myself but I want to be clear not 330 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:37,500 because they've hurt me but because they 331 00:13:42,290 --> 00:13:40,079 could just pop up they can just walk in 332 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:42,300 the wall I could be looking here and 333 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:44,339 turn around and they're there that gets 334 00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:48,420 your heart going I bet yeah so so so but 335 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:50,399 now now I'm studying all these different 336 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:52,740 religious paths these existential 337 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:55,260 philosophers those type of things and it 338 00:13:58,370 --> 00:13:56,760 took me a long time to let go of the 339 00:14:02,030 --> 00:13:58,380 Baptist tradition I was trying to put a 340 00:14:04,850 --> 00:14:02,040 a round peg in a square oh but I started 341 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:04,860 to see Jesus differently and all then I 342 00:14:08,509 --> 00:14:06,779 run into 343 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:08,519 uh 344 00:14:13,129 --> 00:14:10,860 a friend of mine but we weren't friends 345 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:13,139 then uh we didn't know each other Dr 346 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,260 Barry Downing wrote a book back in 1968 347 00:14:20,750 --> 00:14:18,480 called the Bible in flying saucers he's 348 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:20,760 a Rhodes scholar he's a retired 349 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:22,380 Presbyterian Minister he's not an 350 00:14:26,930 --> 00:14:24,779 experiencer and then when I found 351 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:26,940 Barry's book 352 00:14:32,449 --> 00:14:29,760 oh my God because the way I'm wired is 353 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:32,459 I'm not into propulsion systems and back 354 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:34,440 engineering greater minds than I can do 355 00:14:38,569 --> 00:14:36,300 that I want to know how does it change 356 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:38,579 you once you once you look one of these 357 00:14:41,870 --> 00:14:40,500 brothers and sisters in their eyes you 358 00:14:43,629 --> 00:14:41,880 are changed 359 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:43,639 and so 360 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:47,040 Barry wrote This Book 361 00:14:50,449 --> 00:14:48,720 and I started looking at the bible 362 00:14:54,170 --> 00:14:50,459 really differently and then I started 363 00:14:56,269 --> 00:14:54,180 Mars K Jessup wrote a book a Bible UFOs 364 00:14:58,670 --> 00:14:56,279 in the Bible died under mysterious 365 00:15:00,769 --> 00:14:58,680 circumstances in the 50s 366 00:15:02,689 --> 00:15:00,779 um Virginia brazington right here and 367 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,699 from North Carolina wrote a book called 368 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:05,279 UFOs in the Bible back in the 50s and 369 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:06,240 you know there are a couple other 370 00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:08,459 ministers who wrote about this Mars gay 371 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:10,399 Joseph was the minister 372 00:15:17,870 --> 00:15:15,360 and it it was like water to a a parched 373 00:15:19,550 --> 00:15:17,880 man in the desert because I had a 374 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:19,560 reference point because that's how I 375 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:21,540 view the world 376 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:25,980 and so I was looking at the Old 377 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,220 Testament and and the New Testament and 378 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,920 Jesus and I started reading it and I 379 00:15:37,129 --> 00:15:34,320 said and Barry was the template and I 380 00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:37,139 said if you put the word 381 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:38,279 um 382 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,620 wherever you see the word angel in the 383 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:42,959 Bible or the Quran 384 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:44,699 and you put 385 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:46,199 star person 386 00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,420 I don't like the word alien but whatever 387 00:15:53,389 --> 00:15:50,399 floats your boat 388 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:53,399 it makes so much more sense 389 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,800 and then I started putting together well 390 00:16:01,069 --> 00:15:57,120 wait a minute 391 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:03,230 Passover 392 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:06,060 there's no Jewish religion 393 00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:08,220 until after the Exodus 394 00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:10,380 there's no Jewish religion before it's 395 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:12,920 just a ragtag group of folks 396 00:16:20,269 --> 00:16:16,800 Pharaoh is not a nice person and he's 397 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:20,279 carrying on and he won't let them go 398 00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:22,380 I you know then you know and it was 399 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:24,779 scary because Yahweh I looked at Yahweh 400 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:26,940 as an astronaut who would anger 401 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:29,880 management problems uh he's too obsessed 402 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:32,880 with circumcision and interracial 403 00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:34,500 marriages what kind of God cares about 404 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,660 that and you know you're going into 405 00:16:41,329 --> 00:16:39,120 people's hitting going babies up against 406 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:41,339 the wall that kind of thing but it took 407 00:16:45,650 --> 00:16:42,839 me a while to get that and then to sit 408 00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:45,660 with that one could argue that Jesus is 409 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,639 talking about a whole different when he 410 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:49,440 talks about his father one could argue 411 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:51,620 he's talking about a whole different 412 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:54,480 intelligence than Yahweh even though 413 00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:57,240 Yahweh does mellow out as the years go 414 00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,079 by 415 00:17:02,930 --> 00:17:00,480 and and I'm and I'm still having these 416 00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:02,940 experiences I still have them now just 417 00:17:09,530 --> 00:17:04,880 sometimes years in between 418 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,540 uh and so it opened up a whole new world 419 00:17:14,929 --> 00:17:10,799 for me 420 00:17:19,610 --> 00:17:17,449 and it's obviously because I'm you know 421 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:19,620 I I'm a minister I went to a semi 422 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:21,540 Seminary train 423 00:17:26,270 --> 00:17:24,780 they're not so much worried about what 424 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,280 their parents and friends will think 425 00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:28,559 even though they are but the first thing 426 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:31,679 they say to me can I still be religious 427 00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:35,820 and believe in UFOs it's almost like you 428 00:17:40,190 --> 00:17:37,980 know you help me you gotta because you 429 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:40,200 gotta wrap your mind around now I say 430 00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:43,380 yes but I also say 431 00:17:48,169 --> 00:17:45,539 it's going to change you it changed the 432 00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:48,179 way I looked at Christianity it changed 433 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:51,539 the way you know I was trying to find I 434 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:53,220 used to say I'm not a Christian I'm a 435 00:17:57,230 --> 00:17:55,260 follower of the teachings of Jesus and 436 00:18:00,169 --> 00:17:57,240 to my friends I'm not a Christian 437 00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:00,179 uh because I don't go into the doctrinal 438 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:03,179 stuff so much you know I'm in that way 439 00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,940 the theology but if you're trying to 440 00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:08,400 find these teachings because Jesus 441 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:09,720 wasn't a Christian obviously he was he 442 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:11,000 was a Jewish man 443 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,280 then you you've kind of broadened what 444 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:16,799 that means and so you got to be able to 445 00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:19,020 be comfortable with that 446 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:21,900 and let's talk a little bit let's talk a 447 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:23,820 little bit about you know ET references 448 00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:26,100 not only in Christian scriptures but in 449 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,039 you know like uh 4 000 year old Hindu 450 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,500 texts yes depictions of craft flying 451 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:33,120 around shooting each other so yeah 452 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,700 there's nothing new we all kind of know 453 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:37,919 that the Ancients had a relationship 454 00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:40,440 with God or in some cases what they 455 00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,299 thought was God maybe it was ET or 456 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,679 whatever but but let's talk a little bit 457 00:18:48,049 --> 00:18:45,360 about that specifically like within the 458 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,059 Bible and other you know uh ancient 459 00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:51,120 doctrines there's a lot of talk about 460 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:53,460 ETS and craft and everything else and 461 00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,080 yeah so where where do you kind of make 462 00:18:59,330 --> 00:18:57,360 sense of the whole this is the language 463 00:19:01,549 --> 00:18:59,340 they use thousands of years ago to 464 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,559 describe something phenomenal you know 465 00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:03,600 the angel implication even the demon 466 00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:06,360 implication Poltergeist it's all like a 467 00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,520 salad that's being tossed how do you 468 00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:10,799 make sense of all that you know I think 469 00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:13,260 you make sense of it by just being you 470 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,059 have to be uncomfortable with history 471 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:17,520 and you have to be able to say I don't 472 00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:18,240 know 473 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,360 uh if we look at um 474 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:23,400 if we look at the Hindu scriptures the 475 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:26,220 Mahabharata the upanishads if we look at 476 00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:27,960 that they're talking about vimanas 477 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,120 flying craft and they're talking about 478 00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:32,400 the battles that are being fought these 479 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:35,580 These are dogfights and so and and you 480 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:37,980 know Krishna he's krishna's blue 481 00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:40,440 reminds me of what octurians you know 482 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:42,600 Edgar Casey talks about them in his 483 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:45,480 writings but so so we say you know 484 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:47,340 that's five thousand years ago so it's 485 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:49,320 not a new relationship 486 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:53,820 uh uh uh even even if you look at the 487 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,640 books taken out of the Bible like Enoch 488 00:20:02,990 --> 00:19:59,520 you know when he and he kind of goes on 489 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,000 and rips on Genesis 6 talking about uh 490 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,760 he expands on that talking about the 491 00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:07,860 names of these so-called Fallen uh 492 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:09,620 fallen angels I think they're 493 00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:12,120 extraterrestrials and you know they they 494 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,179 they mate with Earth women and they 495 00:20:19,789 --> 00:20:17,700 create this race of giants which you 496 00:20:22,909 --> 00:20:19,799 find some of that in the Old Testament 497 00:20:26,270 --> 00:20:22,919 as well and it's always these Native 498 00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:26,280 American spirituality uh we're the star 499 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,440 people they they they're bringing 500 00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,360 civilization well that's not really the 501 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:33,059 word they're bringing wisdom and human 502 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:36,360 and and a more humane way of dealing on 503 00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:38,280 the planet they're coming from the sky 504 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:41,220 whether it's ezekiel's wheel whether 505 00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:43,140 it's Elijah in the flying chariots 506 00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:45,179 whether it's the pillar of cloud by day 507 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:47,580 the pillar of Fire by night and you said 508 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,880 it Louie they're using the vernacular of 509 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:52,320 their time 510 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,600 and they would these beings would be 511 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:57,360 Godlike because of the technology 512 00:21:02,570 --> 00:20:59,940 to me that's not to say that there's no 513 00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,580 single Source or God or force or 514 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,860 whatever you want to call it I I'm not 515 00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:06,720 I'm not saying that doesn't exist at all 516 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:09,419 I'm saying but we create in our own 517 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:14,460 image and that we anthropomorphicize 518 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:17,400 this God and any God you can create any 519 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,260 God that you is really not God because 520 00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,080 the finite can never comprehend the 521 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:25,020 infinite yeah now maybe when we're not 522 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:26,700 in these bodies and we're just pure 523 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:29,700 spirit and we then that's something else 524 00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:31,260 but 525 00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:33,900 the thing about God is that at least 526 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:35,640 here on Earth everybody's made God in 527 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,020 their own image you know God doesn't 528 00:21:42,649 --> 00:21:40,200 like the same things I don't like right 529 00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,659 or he's a man on a cloud you know 530 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,720 casting judgment and condemning yeah 531 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,000 exactly Yahweh God he's very vindictive 532 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:50,159 and yeah almost like the Sumerian gods 533 00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:52,280 and their uh epics where 534 00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:55,320 they're enslaving Us in the Nephilim and 535 00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,740 breeding with people and and gold you 536 00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:00,659 know and he's and he so he's a warrior 537 00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:02,760 God and so 538 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:04,980 and he's very jealous and you know he's 539 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:09,059 he's got these traits that he needs to 540 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,340 look at if you will but they're human 541 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:12,720 traits that's the thing that I always 542 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:14,760 find funny with the gods is that they 543 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:17,400 have human traits they won't agree they 544 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,360 get jealous yeah exactly yeah well they 545 00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,580 get horny they will eat they will and 546 00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:26,039 even even in the Greek pantheon 547 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:28,340 see 548 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,380 that's I think I think that's very 549 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:33,480 crucial what you said 550 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:35,400 because 551 00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:37,620 a lot of these beings are more 552 00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:39,900 spiritually Advanced and some of them 553 00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:40,740 aren't 554 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,860 and some of them are in process 555 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,799 this this this this this intelligence 556 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:49,440 this entity that you could use the word 557 00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:51,320 God or whatever you want to call it 558 00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:54,539 that's very different 559 00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,059 from what we're reading in the Bible 560 00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,000 what we're reading in in some of these 561 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:01,679 Sacred Scriptures 562 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,000 and so that right there is enough to get 563 00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,159 people going because you've been taught 564 00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,520 this way for so long and now you got 565 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:13,559 quantum physics telling us about energy 566 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,340 about different dimensions and so it's 567 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:20,640 an as we move into this time it's an 568 00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,059 eye-opening time and if you don't have a 569 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,179 center or you're not working on it 570 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,980 um and then you can do that in many ways 571 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:31,919 but but you're going to be tossed around 572 00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:35,039 like a bottle in the sea because there's 573 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,039 all this information coming at us from 574 00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:40,559 the government from other people from 575 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:43,020 what's just going on in the world and 576 00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:43,980 you 577 00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,679 based on that and based on like we'll 578 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,419 come back with some of your experiences 579 00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,580 that you've had but with the church 580 00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:55,740 being what it is now which is a big 581 00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,980 decline in in I would say attendees or 582 00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,840 people being brought to the church right 583 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,880 now in North America you got the 584 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,320 government that's coming out and saying 585 00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:06,480 yeah these uaps are real we're trying to 586 00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:09,179 study them we don't know that is a huge 587 00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:10,980 bill to take for somebody who's already 588 00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:13,799 billed you know their their box and says 589 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,260 no this is what reality is where in fact 590 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,840 they're not really living or accepting 591 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,000 what reality is because this is part of 592 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,039 nature if we're being visited or you 593 00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,980 know an Overlord species is you know 594 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,900 overlooking us or whatever it's part of 595 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,000 nature right and they're if they're 596 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:32,039 there that's they just beat us to the 597 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:32,820 punch 598 00:24:36,250 --> 00:24:35,580 but not accepting that like being uh you 599 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:36,260 know 600 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:38,460 cocooned in your religion is a big 601 00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,580 problem and I come from a religious uh 602 00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:44,280 background I'm no longer religious I'm 603 00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:47,340 no longer uh spiritual if you would say 604 00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:50,580 yeah but some some people are and and 605 00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:52,679 that's the issue is like I'm worried 606 00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:54,179 about how do we approach that with them 607 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,520 because I have family that are still 608 00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:58,799 very gripping to the idea that you know 609 00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,780 you know with the Christianity and just 610 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,280 trying to say look these are real has 611 00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,840 nothing to do with your you know your 612 00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,039 faith your belief doesn't change 613 00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,620 anything doesn't take away from it but 614 00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:09,120 we need to address it with the people 615 00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:12,179 that don't want to look at it right well 616 00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:15,179 I I I I I that's a great question I 617 00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:16,919 think there are many layers to it I 618 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,539 don't know 619 00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,940 first of all coming from the religious 620 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,679 background that you and I have come from 621 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,720 and probably Louis 622 00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:26,880 we can be bilingual 623 00:25:32,649 --> 00:25:30,480 because many people speak the language 624 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,659 that we used to speak 625 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:35,520 God or you know healing we may say 626 00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:38,580 energy whatever but we know what and and 627 00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,400 I think it's important to say 628 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,919 when you say God 629 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:45,720 and I say god let's let's make sure 630 00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,220 we're talking about the same thing 631 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,380 that's number one 632 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,600 but I would say 633 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,720 Jason that number two is 634 00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,940 you can plant the seed but if people 635 00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,440 aren't ready to hear it I mean even 636 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,679 Jesus there was you know he basically he 637 00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,120 was trying to meet people at their map 638 00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:05,940 of the world he had Parables and stories 639 00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,100 that he would tell in public and then in 640 00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,960 private with his disciples he would give 641 00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,779 them the real meaning because he knew 642 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,279 you could not force these things on 643 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,320 people because people are at different 644 00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:18,480 stages of their development 645 00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:22,260 right you know and so for me for 646 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:25,520 instance my sister is evangelical 647 00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:29,520 we love each other to death 648 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,179 but she cannot deal with the work that I 649 00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:34,320 do 650 00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,100 bit because of my experiences the energy 651 00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:44,220 is different that comes out of my hands 652 00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,419 but 653 00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:48,059 she says you don't mention Jesus when 654 00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,039 you talk about that 655 00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,279 so there's nothing I can do to to you 656 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,980 know and she'll say well the other day I 657 00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,480 said to her well 658 00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:59,820 then look you love me you know me I'm 659 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,460 your brother look at the work I do I'm 660 00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,200 not harming people I'm helping people 661 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:06,240 but that's still not good enough it's 662 00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,039 well how do you know that's not the 663 00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,919 devil it reminds me of Hamlet right uh 664 00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:13,260 you know the the when he says the to a 665 00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,000 ratio the spirit I've seen may be the 666 00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,799 devil and the devil had power to assume 667 00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:19,200 a pleasing shape so some people are just 668 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:20,700 not ready to hear it and I let it go 669 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:21,900 with that 670 00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:24,779 because you know what's the parable some 671 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,539 seeds some seed will go on ground that 672 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:29,880 is fertile some seed will go on the 673 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,820 ground and it will be choked some you 674 00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:34,980 know so I kind of 675 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:37,500 I kind of just roll if someone seems 676 00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,620 open to it I will talk about it listen I 677 00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,299 almost got fired someone tried to get me 678 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,520 fired from my church years ago because 679 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,080 they saw me on Ancient Aliens and they 680 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,520 said well I don't want my Minister 681 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:49,440 talking about Little Green Men 682 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:53,220 but luckily in the denomination I'm in 683 00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,020 the Unitarian Universalist 684 00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,120 the board runs the church not the 685 00:28:02,269 --> 00:27:59,039 minister I work for the board 686 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,279 and so she was a big donor 687 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:05,279 um she complained to the board and the 688 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:08,580 board said he's not forcing it down your 689 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,260 throat 690 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,000 he's not preaching it here in other 691 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,580 words this is not a UFO Church 692 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:17,520 and so what's the harm and and he may be 693 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,020 right 694 00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:22,320 so I I think it's the situational kind 695 00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:24,900 of thing because you don't want to force 696 00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:27,919 people for stuff on people and 697 00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:32,279 eventually things will play out where 698 00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:34,980 they'll have to make a decision I I 699 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:37,980 would like to be there if I can 700 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:40,620 as a guide you know people come to me 701 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,380 for counseling that kind of thing but I 702 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,320 would never never force that on people 703 00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,900 because it's a game changer because it 704 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,059 basically everything we've been taught 705 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,760 has been a lot yeah and not to mention 706 00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:55,380 the people within the church or any 707 00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,179 other religion in the world are also 708 00:29:01,549 --> 00:28:59,340 experiencers as well we've interviewed 709 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:01,559 people that you know have written books 710 00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,380 about people that are in the church that 711 00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,419 are experiencing you know abduction 712 00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,400 cases for crying out loud and they're 713 00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:10,320 looking at it more like is it a devil 714 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,600 thing am I being punished by hell like 715 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,700 they can't make sense of it because they 716 00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,620 don't have let's say a reverend like you 717 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,539 who've had these experiences they could 718 00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:20,159 say well actually it might be this let's 719 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,720 look at it on this hand everything has 720 00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:23,760 got to be well yeah it's probably a 721 00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,039 spiritual attack you know like you need 722 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,279 to pray more yeah exactly very fearful 723 00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:31,980 yeah you know you look in the Bible I 724 00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,779 mean Elijah 725 00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,940 is the contact e 726 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:38,399 and he gets taken up in the Chariot so 727 00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:39,960 is Paul 728 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,260 you know he's a contactee obviously I 729 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,640 Think Jesus was 730 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,640 um uh uh you know you look in the Bible 731 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,520 these These are contactees you look at 732 00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:51,360 um 733 00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,279 John the Baptist his mother you know and 734 00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,320 uh Elizabeth and you know they're 735 00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,940 meeting these beings they're calling 736 00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:02,159 them angels and there's usually a 737 00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,419 message 738 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:05,340 okay and what do they say something 739 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,460 don't be afraid it's at night with the 740 00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:11,520 Lord yeah yeah don't don't you know and 741 00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:12,419 um 742 00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,899 I I want to be clear the Bible has a 743 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,720 beauty to it and lots of wisdom and and 744 00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,419 approach to it I'm not just saying I 745 00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,580 don't want to I'm not denigrating it I I 746 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:26,700 still use it I I draw wisdom from it but 747 00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:28,980 I draw wisdom from other sources as well 748 00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,039 I so I I I I don't think you throw out 749 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:34,679 the baby with the bath water and a lot 750 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,380 of people have because religion has 751 00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:39,840 taught us fear that the only the only 752 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,460 reason these people say was it a devil 753 00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:43,260 is the devil because the church has said 754 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:44,520 well if you don't look at it this way 755 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,860 you're demise right and we got to 756 00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,440 reverse that in some ways 757 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,720 um and and you reverse it by learning to 758 00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,720 love number one 759 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,940 um that's what it's all about you don't 760 00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:58,260 need 761 00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:58,980 um 762 00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:02,820 you don't need a reptilian or you don't 763 00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:06,419 need a praying mantis person you don't 764 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:10,740 need uh a Nordic person uh to teach you 765 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:14,880 that I know people or ndes or obes they 766 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,580 may accelerate the process I know a guy 767 00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:19,679 who was had a mystical experience 768 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:22,980 jogging in San Francisco at Sunrise and 769 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,020 he said I can't explain it but I forgot 770 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,360 it was like I wasn't here anymore and I 771 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:29,520 felt connected to everything through the 772 00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:32,100 trees to the mountains to other people I 773 00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:33,899 felt such love now he couldn't sustain 774 00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:36,659 that that went away 775 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:39,539 but once you've had an experience like 776 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:41,480 that whether it's ET 777 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:45,539 or jogging or meditating look the Hindus 778 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:47,880 do the tantric saps you can have an 779 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:50,700 orgasm that can make you have uh that 780 00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,760 kind of you you change you you you 781 00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,919 changed 782 00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,140 um and and so reminds me but I'm not 783 00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,240 comparing this to war at all I have a 784 00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,460 lot of friends who were in Vietnam and 785 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,760 you know you're 18 19 you know people 786 00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:07,500 shooting you and act you know once 787 00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,820 you've been there 788 00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,679 and then you come back you have to say 789 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:12,659 now how am I gonna how am I going to 790 00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,539 live now I've seen the worst that people 791 00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:17,520 can do to one another or maybe I've done 792 00:32:20,649 --> 00:32:18,419 that 793 00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:20,659 and and those are the transformational 794 00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:22,340 experiences 795 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:26,700 that we need to grow 796 00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:31,260 and hopefully uh they can be 797 00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,279 a pathway to to learning to love 798 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,860 yeah well said and I think sometimes 799 00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,440 religion gives God like quote unquote 800 00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:42,899 God a bad name and let's be honest 801 00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:45,659 religion is a man-made construct yes 802 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,179 himself said do not build a church do 803 00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:50,460 not worship idols your relationship with 804 00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:54,539 God is you and the Creator so it's man's 805 00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:57,539 feeble attempt in all scripture to try 806 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,419 to you know record what God's words are 807 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,360 and we are limited by our vessel right 808 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,480 we are exactly can't comprehend God so 809 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,760 we do our best to write stories that I 810 00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,200 remember at the time of the Bible 811 00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,419 nobody's literate other than the high 812 00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:14,820 priests and the Kings and everybody else 813 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,580 like people believe what they saw and 814 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:19,620 what they were told and the whole idea 815 00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:21,720 of Parables is you make a story that 816 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,820 imparts some greater meaning at the end 817 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,679 of the story whether a story is real or 818 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,620 not who cares if you got the lesson good 819 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,260 enough and I think that's basically the 820 00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,059 purpose of scripture give you examples 821 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:35,039 of how you should live and how you 822 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,860 should think more like the Creator and 823 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,840 myself as Jason said like I was raised 824 00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,460 in a Catholic household I went to 825 00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,679 Catholic school had all the sacraments I 826 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,240 never had a bad experience with 827 00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:47,580 Catholicism I know some people have but 828 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:50,519 for me it was it was the starter of 829 00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,980 understanding God you read the scripture 830 00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:55,200 it's philosophy that you now have to 831 00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:56,700 battle in your own mind and say well 832 00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:58,860 what does that mean and in terms of God 833 00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,559 being a vengeful God or you know sending 834 00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:03,240 you to hell maybe I'm a bad Catholic but 835 00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:05,159 I don't believe in Hell the kind of God 836 00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,339 I believe in only knows about love and 837 00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:10,619 creating and would not create you to 838 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,560 suffer again how do you explain sickos 839 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:15,480 and pedophiles that deserve to burn in 840 00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:17,399 hell quote unquote I don't have an 841 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:19,139 answer for that either but no I don't 842 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,240 either 843 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:24,000 yeah and God is getting lost in in the 844 00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:26,040 man-made rules of look at the Christian 845 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,339 faith how many denominations of Jesus 846 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:31,320 believing people are there you have 847 00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:32,820 Catholics you have Protestants you have 848 00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,300 Baptists you have Unitarian Presbyterian 849 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,000 I mean Pentecostal Evangelical it goes 850 00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:40,800 on and on and on and on even the 851 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,540 Jehovah's Witness believe in Jesus and 852 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,240 like do you believe or not let's not get 853 00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,399 caught up in my God is better than your 854 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:49,260 God because people have been killing 855 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,060 each other for thousands of years over 856 00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,760 whose definition of God is right and 857 00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,740 they're all wrong so that's right you 858 00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,960 know if you get too rigid in a book that 859 00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,640 didn't simply didn't have the language 860 00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,760 at the time it was written to to Really 861 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,339 impart where we're at now yeah because 862 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,740 it means everything else you know no I 863 00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,560 agree and the thing is and I say this 864 00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,359 guys 865 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:13,800 um and it upsets some people because 866 00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,450 by how you treat me 867 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,680 that tells me how you treat 868 00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,660 the planet how you treat the animal 869 00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,359 kingdom that's what I know and even even 870 00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:30,180 even even Yeshua said that by their 871 00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,800 fruits you shall know them I know people 872 00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,140 who go to church Bible study on 873 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,520 Wednesday night 874 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:37,440 they're in the church they're in the 875 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:39,300 synagogue they're in the mosque on 876 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,740 Fridays 877 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,020 and they will treat you like you are 878 00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:44,820 something that they stepped on on the 879 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,579 sidewalk but yet they're doing the 880 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:49,440 outward thing 881 00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,160 but but it comes back to and I'm not 882 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:54,480 talking about being judgmental people 883 00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:56,460 have bad days I have bad days but 884 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,720 basically you know how people live and 885 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:03,359 that shows you oh you know I live in a 886 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,680 country that says it's a Christian 887 00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:08,160 Nation my God if that's Christian then 888 00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:10,740 save me from it because we've gone crazy 889 00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,859 here and there are some there are some 890 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,079 bible-thumping people that are flag 891 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:18,000 waving Christians and if you step foot 892 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,380 on their property they will shoot you in 893 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,760 the head and not think twice about it 894 00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,220 you know so gun comes before the God 895 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:25,800 sometimes and I think we really need to 896 00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:28,260 step back and get a 10 000 foot look at 897 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,839 what we're actually doing because every 898 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,220 Doctrine and it doesn't my own personal 899 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,619 opinion but every religion every 900 00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:37,500 Doctrine it's the same story nobody's 901 00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,300 allowed nobody says you can commit 902 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:41,640 murder or adultery or theft or you 903 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:43,260 shouldn't respect your parents they all 904 00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:45,060 say the same thing they've had different 905 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,700 Messengers over thousands of years to 906 00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,160 approach different populations of people 907 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:52,440 they all say the same thing you were 908 00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,320 created with love God actually cares 909 00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,240 whatever God is or looks like whether 910 00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,099 it's light or energy who knows we can't 911 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,320 figure that out but we are important 912 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,200 enough that God gives a damn and in 913 00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:06,180 order to to prove that you give a damn 914 00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,339 back you should live a certain way like 915 00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:10,680 like God would want you to live and 916 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,839 we've just complicated it to Hell after 917 00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,940 that and now we have people killing each 918 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,920 other over whose definition of God is 919 00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:19,020 correct it's totally ridiculous it's 920 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:23,160 ridiculous and and and and so the best 921 00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:26,760 thing that we can do I think 922 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,020 is to keep in front of us the things we 923 00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,480 can control and the things we can't 924 00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:36,480 control I mean my government is doing a 925 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:38,220 lot of things that I don't 926 00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,780 think is right 927 00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,820 I um 928 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,460 vote 929 00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,280 um you know I will write so and so and 930 00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:49,619 go hey man what what are you doing but 931 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:54,359 basically my life will be you know my 932 00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:55,500 Testament 933 00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,500 and so that's what I do I I don't I 934 00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,200 don't worry about things I can't control 935 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,320 I try to be an informed citizen I always 936 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,200 have gratitude I count my blessings you 937 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:10,079 know I got a family here you know I I 938 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,079 try to I try not to let the things I 939 00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:15,839 want make me forget the things that I 940 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:20,099 have and you know I don't know if you 941 00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,660 ever saw that Meme on Facebook with 942 00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,820 William Shatner he's dressed you know 943 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,859 he's doing a Star Trek thing and he goes 944 00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,020 why would what would God need with a 945 00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:29,280 Starship 946 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,500 that's true you know what I mean yeah 947 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,140 yeah what is so so 948 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:37,680 I I just say all that to say is that a 949 00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:40,260 lot of times the problems of the world 950 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:42,020 are so 951 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:45,540 many and so varied that it's easily to 952 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,440 get overwhelmed what's the use nothing I 953 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,140 do matters what do and that's not true 954 00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,900 and you do what you can and you let the 955 00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,000 universe take care of the rest just 956 00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,520 doing that you are raising the frequency 957 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,619 of the planet because you're taking care 958 00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:03,660 of your business 959 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,940 you know no one's called me to go talk 960 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:08,040 to Putin or go talk about it and 961 00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,720 probably no one will 962 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:11,160 but 963 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:13,820 you know when I go out of here every day 964 00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:17,460 I try to be the best me that I can be 965 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,099 you know to be to be compassionate to be 966 00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:23,400 kind to be loving believe me that's 967 00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:26,339 everybody's not going to be Dr King or 968 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,500 Joan of Arc or what have you if you're 969 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,839 called to do that then by all means do 970 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,540 it but it's just the everyday things we 971 00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:34,800 can do 972 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:38,099 to make people believe that they are 973 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,720 significant 974 00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,280 it's like the 11th commandment should 975 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,560 have been don't be a dick you know what 976 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:45,119 I mean just yeah that should have been 977 00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:49,140 the last one just be good you know don't 978 00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:55,730 now it's Thou shalt not get caught yeah 979 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:01,370 you know it's it's a mess yeah but but 980 00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:04,380 but but but they're good people like you 981 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,020 and I'm very serious uh this is a 982 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,540 Ministry you are raising people's 983 00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:11,880 vibration you are bringing them a 984 00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:13,500 message and hopefully they will walk 985 00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:15,260 away from this 986 00:40:22,849 --> 00:40:19,619 thinking feeling and going on I mean 987 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,859 this is sacred time and it's not going 988 00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:24,540 to be on Fox it's not going to be on 989 00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,680 MSNBC but I remember the James Baldwin 990 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,320 the late writer said the World Turns by 991 00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:33,540 the love of a very few people 992 00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:36,660 and so you just keep doing what you're 993 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,619 doing and little by little uh it's like 994 00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:42,960 a ripple effect you're bringing people 995 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:45,300 uh knowledge you're stretching them of 996 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,680 course you're making them uncomfortable 997 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,140 but that's how we grow if they don't 998 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,660 like it they'll see your next guest next 999 00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,640 week you know they'll see I'm sure we 1000 00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:55,440 will get comments on today's episode 1001 00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,900 every time we talk about Consciousness 1002 00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,720 some people lose their mind every time 1003 00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,640 we get into the realm of God or 1004 00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,099 understanding because we were nuts and 1005 00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,680 bolts UFO guys doing this as a just a 1006 00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,720 fun hobby people really started to like 1007 00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,460 it and we thought well we're going to be 1008 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:13,320 true to ourselves and stay fact-based 1009 00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:15,000 it's the hardest thing in the world to 1010 00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,820 find facts and evidence on the UFO topic 1011 00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,040 all you can do is get little fading 1012 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,200 glimpses and try to connect the dots 1013 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,660 using scripture speaking to people that 1014 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,599 are educated better spoken than us and 1015 00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,040 some people give us a hard time and say 1016 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,900 you know somebody made a outlandish 1017 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,880 claim why didn't you Hammer them for 1018 00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,520 proof it's not our business or our job 1019 00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,460 to get your kind of proof you make your 1020 00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:40,680 own decision you think the person's nuts 1021 00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:42,060 that's your opinion you're going to form 1022 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:44,940 one anyway we have our own but it's not 1023 00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,060 about us it's the message yeah I agree I 1024 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,420 agree listen and Preston's Preston's a 1025 00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:54,480 friend of mine yeah um you know Preston 1026 00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,820 even says in his books I'm not 1027 00:42:02,569 --> 00:41:59,520 trying to prove this wrong or right I'm 1028 00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,579 telling you what this person said to me 1029 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,040 and you 1030 00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:08,280 take it or not yeah you know and yes and 1031 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:14,990 this 1032 00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:16,490 community 1033 00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:19,560 for lack of a better word 1034 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,740 the UFO Community it's uh that's all I 1035 00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:24,780 don't even know what the hell that is 1036 00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:25,740 but 1037 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:29,460 it's because people want to belong 1038 00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:32,460 there's a lot of Fringe people 1039 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,859 that because they want to meet they want 1040 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,720 to be significant they want to be 1041 00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:38,820 special that or what they think is 1042 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,160 special and so 1043 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:43,320 it and and then you have disinformation 1044 00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,520 people so it's hard to say well this is 1045 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,520 really true and this isn't but one thing 1046 00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:53,520 you know is true is that things are 1047 00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:54,599 changing 1048 00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:00,560 you know go read uh Ray Hernandez book 1049 00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:04,619 uh uh on on Consciousness and and UFOs 1050 00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,119 I'm in that book you don't have to buy 1051 00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:08,099 just because I'm in it but it's it's 1052 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,280 about it and there's scientists in it 1053 00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:13,260 physicists who are experiencers 1054 00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,099 and they are saying I was this way I was 1055 00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:19,079 pure nuts and bolts before I had this 1056 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:21,960 experience and now uh you know now now 1057 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,319 I'm I'm I'm I'm studying massage I'm I'm 1058 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,359 meditating more I'm you know what I mean 1059 00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:30,660 so there's a [\h__\h] happening you know 1060 00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,819 what sometimes you can miss the forest 1061 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:35,339 for the trees yeah I mean distance from 1062 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,640 disinformation is uh they give you some 1063 00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,040 truth and then they kind of wrap it up 1064 00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,720 in a whole bunch of disinformation so 1065 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:44,220 you don't throw the baby out the bath 1066 00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,200 water you but we've not we've been 1067 00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,839 taught not to trust ourselves so I need 1068 00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,000 I don't need my government to tell me 1069 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,240 that UFOs exist it would be nice but I 1070 00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,599 don't that's not my thing I know what I 1071 00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,599 saw I know what's happened to me now if 1072 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:02,760 they ever come out with this I love it 1073 00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,819 but if they don't I know what I saw but 1074 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:07,500 what we're so used to giving our power 1075 00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:10,980 away that unless someone affirms it or 1076 00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,619 confirms it then it's not true and you 1077 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,000 just don't want to live your life that 1078 00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,760 way right now we got a question for both 1079 00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:20,280 of you Louie I give this question uh I 1080 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,500 didn't let you know those questions I 1081 00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:23,760 know right 1082 00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:25,319 um but recently uh somebody Michael 1083 00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,900 Shermer saw another Michael yeah yes yes 1084 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000 stated that uh believing in Aliens is 1085 00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,680 like a religion and there are some 1086 00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,839 similarities he says it's all 1087 00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,000 imagination and speculation based on 1088 00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,579 reason logic and argument but we still 1089 00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:41,280 don't have any any evidence for either 1090 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,619 and I thought that's that's a good point 1091 00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,200 like how do we prevent ufology or the 1092 00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:48,359 belief in in what's happening right now 1093 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,280 from becoming a religion because look at 1094 00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:52,200 the way that we're behaving on social 1095 00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,220 media 1096 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,319 Twitter everybody's fighting everybody's 1097 00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,599 got the answer one guy is a messiah that 1098 00:45:02,089 --> 00:44:59,040 will charge you thirty five hundred 1099 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:02,099 dollars for a night out looking at UFOs 1100 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,900 you know like it's just it's gotten 1101 00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,720 ridiculous right so um I'll pick your 1102 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,460 brain first Louie like what do you think 1103 00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,280 is there a danger there of ufology again 1104 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,220 too religion the term religion has those 1105 00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:16,319 negative connotations that a lot of 1106 00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,020 religion isms have affected people's 1107 00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:21,960 belief in God so in the sense of making 1108 00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:25,079 it some occult thing it's possible that 1109 00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,300 it can get into that realm but all 1110 00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:29,579 religion we don't have proof I don't 1111 00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,619 have a piece of Jesus's cross I believe 1112 00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:33,480 the man lived I believe the message he 1113 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,300 sent so yeah the people that are looking 1114 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640 for where is the proof and call it a 1115 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,040 religion you're leaving out the faith 1116 00:45:44,809 --> 00:45:42,900 part you don't have proof of any of this 1117 00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,819 you don't have proof Jesus existed not 1118 00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:46,619 forensic proof you have historical 1119 00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,780 records and accounts but there's no 1120 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,940 proof with any of it you either believe 1121 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,520 or you don't believe and there's no no 1122 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,260 right or wrong answer and you don't owe 1123 00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,900 an explanation to anybody you know your 1124 00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,700 relationship with the Divine you're 1125 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,160 either communicating or you're not so I 1126 00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,040 don't think there's any risk of alien 1127 00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:07,740 religions having good or bad because 1128 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,960 it's that same putting it in a little 1129 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,880 box that you know comes with that 1130 00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:13,560 statement if you're going to be an 1131 00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:15,240 open-minded person you believe in 1132 00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:17,099 everything you become the Buddha you 1133 00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,079 believe in creation you believe in love 1134 00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:21,720 you believe in support and kindness you 1135 00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:22,920 don't worry about your neighbor anymore 1136 00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,500 you worry about yourself you you accept 1137 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,839 the universe within you that you're made 1138 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,119 of the same stuff and you stop putting 1139 00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,160 things in boxes and calling it this and 1140 00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:34,859 labeling at that so my personal opinion 1141 00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:37,859 is the term religion is at the worst 1142 00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:41,099 connotation and I to me nothing speaks 1143 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,319 more highly to God's creative power than 1144 00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,400 the fact that there might be life 1145 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,619 elsewhere my kind of God doesn't have 1146 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,260 limits on just humans on Earth he is 1147 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,020 omnipotent so I I don't put it in a box 1148 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,420 and I don't put the whole UFO and alien 1149 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,040 thing in a box either because it's not 1150 00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:57,839 I've said it before it's not Stranger 1151 00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,300 Than You Think Stranger than you can 1152 00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:03,599 think and if we try to Define it boy you 1153 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,579 got a big ego because you'd be the only 1154 00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,260 one to figure it out for all of us if 1155 00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,780 that's the true case nobody knows don't 1156 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:11,280 put in a box 1157 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:14,339 yeah yeah yeah I I I I that resonates 1158 00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,480 with me I I I I would say this so that 1159 00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:21,000 we already have UFO religions yeah 1160 00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,660 that's true Judaism Christianity and 1161 00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,760 Islam are all religions that were 1162 00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,619 started by star people I'm not saying it 1163 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,960 was intentional but the beings that 1164 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,720 they're taught look 1165 00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,040 we know that 1166 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:39,589 Stars 1167 00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,079 do not float across the sky 1168 00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,480 and shine light down on mangers if they 1169 00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,339 did the whole gravitational pull of the 1170 00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:50,640 earth so you know I mean we already have 1171 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,940 it we already have the angel of Maroney 1172 00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,700 talking to uh the Mormon you know that's 1173 00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,980 how Mormonism started we already have 1174 00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:00,180 that 1175 00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:06,060 trying to say is is these from my point 1176 00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,900 of view is that let's look at this story 1177 00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:12,119 these stories 1178 00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:15,300 Judaism Christianity and Islam 1179 00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,599 the three monotheistic faiths 1180 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:21,119 and say what are they really trying to 1181 00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,260 tell us 1182 00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:25,680 not about whether uh uh 1183 00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,940 um 1184 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:29,400 virgins have babies or what have you 1185 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:33,599 that's in there but are we were we being 1186 00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,420 visited we're our ancestors 1187 00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:39,599 try to describe to us 1188 00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:42,540 in the nomenclature the language of 1189 00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:45,660 their day the experiences they were 1190 00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:49,079 having with other worldly intelligences 1191 00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:52,380 because we've made religions out of them 1192 00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:54,900 yeah we've made religions out of them 1193 00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,000 already now I'm being a little 1194 00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,920 disingenuous because what you're saying 1195 00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,900 is you know there have been UFO 1196 00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:02,700 religions I got books on them where you 1197 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,400 get these charismatic uh priests called 1198 00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,859 leaders yeah yes I see with that and 1199 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,420 that's what you're really saying yeah 1200 00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:11,220 and so 1201 00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:14,280 um I don't know if we can stop that 1202 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,980 because people are gullible and you know 1203 00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,020 you've always had that even in in 1204 00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,119 biblical times you always had these 1205 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:23,400 little calls Christianity was a cult at 1206 00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:27,599 one time but what we can do 1207 00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:30,720 is to work on our own spirituality 1208 00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,240 to to to study like the Buddha said 1209 00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:35,520 don't take my word for it go out and 1210 00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,099 experience it go out and study for 1211 00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:41,640 yourselves and that way that's how we we 1212 00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:44,040 grow because you can't lead where you 1213 00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:45,960 haven't been 1214 00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:49,680 so again answer your question on one 1215 00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,020 level our our religions are based on 1216 00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,880 contactees reports but on what you're 1217 00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:59,040 saying is 1218 00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:00,839 um but I don't think 1219 00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:03,780 you there's no way you can stop that 1220 00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:08,240 except by people wanting to be educated 1221 00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,680 encouraging them 1222 00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:12,839 look don't take Michael Carter's word 1223 00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,380 for it go read the literature go reread 1224 00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:18,420 some of these you know do the research 1225 00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,000 yourself that way whatever conclusion 1226 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,460 you come to you come to it on your own 1227 00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,400 not because you were Hoodwinked or you 1228 00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:29,040 know someone guilted you into it and 1229 00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,460 then you can start seeing okay you know 1230 00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,079 you like like Louie said you start 1231 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,599 looking at life from a higher altitude 1232 00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,640 I think that's what we can encourage 1233 00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:41,520 which is what your show does does it 1234 00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,619 make people uncomfortable yeah you know 1235 00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:45,660 what if people are writing you and and 1236 00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:48,300 they're all off kilter that means you've 1237 00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,940 done your job I like that sometimes yeah 1238 00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,619 it feels like that sometimes it's uh 1239 00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:54,300 that means because we're not all going 1240 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,300 to hold hands and sing Kumbaya but if 1241 00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:00,180 you've done your job you how did Dr King 1242 00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,079 put it I come my job is to comfort The 1243 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,520 Afflicted 1244 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,160 and to afflict the comfortable those who 1245 00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:11,040 all said oh I got it all figured out I 1246 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,839 know what it is and then you come along 1247 00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:14,880 with this show or whatever and they go 1248 00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:18,420 like oh holy that's the job for those 1249 00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:21,000 people who are complacent and for those 1250 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:23,160 people who are in the margin saying man 1251 00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:25,800 I I wish I could talk to somebody about 1252 00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,200 what just happened to me I don't know 1253 00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:30,900 you comfort them because you have other 1254 00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,559 people like me on other people who say I 1255 00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:36,599 know what you went through you you're 1256 00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,720 not crazy uh talk to me about I'm here 1257 00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:42,480 here's my email here's my phone here's 1258 00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,859 what I've 1259 00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,900 that's what you do 1260 00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:47,579 you know it's actually uh that's what 1261 00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,040 you guys do yeah it's always fascinating 1262 00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:52,559 when we talk to an experiencer or 1263 00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,380 somebody who's had 1264 00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:56,400 multiple experiences throughout their 1265 00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,140 lifetime and somebody like yourself sir 1266 00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,540 who's you're humble at the same time 1267 00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,000 you're kind I we have not yet to 1268 00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,559 interview somebody who's a complete 1269 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:07,440 a-hole that isn't abductee you know what 1270 00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,760 I mean like they don't seem to come for 1271 00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:10,380 those types of people they seem to come 1272 00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,119 for the people that are open that are 1273 00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,520 spiritual that are kind like everybody 1274 00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,559 we talk to happens to fall that way 1275 00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,540 they're just you know really genuine 1276 00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,300 people and you happen to be one of those 1277 00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:24,720 people so that your stories are you know 1278 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,220 it makes it easier for us to understand 1279 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,040 what you're coming from uh because you 1280 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,200 are genuine and you you don't come 1281 00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:33,359 across at all as somebody who's fibbing 1282 00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,599 uh you you got a legit story now if 1283 00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,420 somebody is a religious person I'm going 1284 00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,280 to say religious or a spiritual person 1285 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:43,559 they've experienced um you know 1286 00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,619 experiences of abduction or encounters 1287 00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,839 and they're not comfortable talking 1288 00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,280 about it with people of their Church 1289 00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,040 what would you recommend for them to do 1290 00:53:02,690 --> 00:52:56,520 I would recommend a couple of things I 1291 00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,910 to find a support group if not a support 1292 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:06,480 group maybe some people who do some 1293 00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:10,200 hypnosis so you can kind of get that 1294 00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:13,859 trauma out you could always talk to me I 1295 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,140 do counseling I'm not overly expensive 1296 00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:18,960 uh we could do it by Zoom Skype what 1297 00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,579 have you 1298 00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,920 I would also advise them to be gentle 1299 00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,599 with themselves 1300 00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:26,819 because you get a glimpse of another 1301 00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,859 dimension but you're still living in 1302 00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,839 this Dimension maybe you have kids maybe 1303 00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,940 you have a partner you got to get up and 1304 00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,920 go to work you know what I mean so you 1305 00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,280 got to be really gentle with yourself 1306 00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,380 and you know use your resources I like 1307 00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:42,900 to read up on stuff uh I read 1308 00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,079 voraciously anyway but when I add 1309 00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,480 um those experiences that's why I wrote 1310 00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:50,520 this book for experiences it's called 1311 00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:51,900 the spiritual transformation of the 1312 00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,599 experiencer it gives you it tells you 1313 00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:57,119 about the signs that let you know that 1314 00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:59,579 maybe you were visited what to do about 1315 00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,559 that it talks about 1316 00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:02,400 um 1317 00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:04,859 you know if you're in a relationship and 1318 00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:06,900 maybe you're having these encounters and 1319 00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,480 your partner isn't very very difficult 1320 00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:11,940 because they don't know and you're going 1321 00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:14,819 through one thing so and and I'm just 1322 00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:17,400 thinking about those things 1323 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,650 there's so many people out here 1324 00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,300 who have had and are having your 1325 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,800 experience 1326 00:54:33,010 --> 00:54:30,660 so you're not alone 1327 00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,020 you just need to find the safe space 1328 00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,400 where you can talk without being 1329 00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,220 ridiculed usually the church is not the 1330 00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:39,599 place to go 1331 00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,950 you know I I hate to say it but the 1332 00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:48,000 church is not the place to go 1333 00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:49,740 but um 1334 00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,760 call me pick up the book uh you you 1335 00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:56,400 there's help here 1336 00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:58,380 um but be gentle with yourself because 1337 00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,800 it's it's the beginning of a journey 1338 00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,559 uh and at the end of this journey you 1339 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,720 will be a totally different person in a 1340 00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:07,920 lot of ways 1341 00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,160 that I promise you and speaking of the 1342 00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,720 journey we mentioned earlier we've gone 1343 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:15,180 from nuts and bolts guys to giving 1344 00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:16,740 everything a little bit of space because 1345 00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,660 we just don't know and we've chatted 1346 00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,520 with some pretty well-informed people 1347 00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:22,319 like George Knapp and Jacques Valley and 1348 00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:23,880 you know when they start talking about 1349 00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:26,579 things like it's not just UFOs now it's 1350 00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:29,819 like Poltergeist and orbs and all these 1351 00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:31,260 other random energies that they didn't 1352 00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,300 think were affiliated with this topic 1353 00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,400 now it seems like there's more and more 1354 00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,500 to that so I wanted to get your opinion 1355 00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,540 on how do you make sense of the whole 1356 00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,720 demons and poltergeists or even just 1357 00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,520 like spirits that you can communicate 1358 00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,559 with where does that fit into the whole 1359 00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:48,540 ET phenomenon I think it does you know 1360 00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:50,579 what I've been noticing you know I went 1361 00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,119 to a con uh conference in Michigan last 1362 00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:56,160 September and I've been invited back and 1363 00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:59,220 what I loved about it was that you had 1364 00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:00,900 people there talking you had experiences 1365 00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,520 there you had people talking about the 1366 00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:04,079 nuts and bolts you had people there 1367 00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:06,839 talking about Bigfoot you know I because 1368 00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:09,059 I you know you see some of UFO sightings 1369 00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:11,160 where people say they see Bigfoot or 1370 00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:12,900 some people said I've seen Bigfoot get 1371 00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:15,780 off of a crap I think that all this is 1372 00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:18,119 lumped under one thing of the Paranormal 1373 00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,700 which may not be paranormal just maybe 1374 00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,099 some things we don't understand as yet 1375 00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,960 we call it Supernatural but it may not 1376 00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:26,640 be Supernatural there may be laws of 1377 00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,900 physics that we're just not really 1378 00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:29,640 understanding 1379 00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:32,460 I think and I like it because we're not 1380 00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,960 at each other's throats and we're not 1381 00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:36,960 competing and I'm noticing that more and 1382 00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:38,520 more 1383 00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:42,540 conferences you know they're having 1384 00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:44,780 speakers from the different disciplines 1385 00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:49,319 Poltergeist Bigfoot ghost I think it's 1386 00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,099 all they they all have that connection 1387 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,319 of how do we are we trying to understand 1388 00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,660 something or we're trying to we're being 1389 00:57:03,770 --> 00:56:59,760 pulled to understand something that 1390 00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:03,780 we've resisted for for so long I I like 1391 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:05,099 that 1392 00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:12,650 Poltergeist you got ghost stuff in in 1393 00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,300 the Bible you've got Samuel you know 1394 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:17,460 they're channeling and then uh who was 1395 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,280 it Saul goes to to bring Samuel back 1396 00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:22,200 Samuel's dead he's trying to get some 1397 00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,819 information from Samuel that's 1398 00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:26,400 channeling that's spiritualism it's in 1399 00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,480 the Bible 1400 00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:29,880 it was frowned upon 1401 00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,859 it wasn't understood and you had Yahweh 1402 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,900 saying no no no don't don't do that 1403 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:38,700 don't you do that 1404 00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:43,200 so I'm I I'm I'm hopeful and I'm that 1405 00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:45,020 way we can start talking to each other 1406 00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,800 instead of just saying what are you 1407 00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:48,240 talking about Bigfoot what is he a nut 1408 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,980 what is she talking about some 1409 00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:52,020 Poltergeist you people like you said 1410 00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:55,260 people who've had entities in their home 1411 00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:57,480 have seen Poltergeist material you know 1412 00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,359 Poltergeist things so I think uh events 1413 00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:03,359 so I I think I think it's promising move 1414 00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,740 on 1415 00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:07,140 I'm not saying it's changed totally 1416 00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:08,700 but there are several move phone 1417 00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:10,380 chapters that 1418 00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,839 um they don't talk about I mean 1419 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:15,180 they kind of regress but when I first 1420 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,220 started to move on it was all nuts and 1421 00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,960 bolts even though they would print some 1422 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,720 of my writings about the Bible 1423 00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,520 then 1424 00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:25,980 it got to be I mean I I spoke at the 1425 00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:28,740 large new phone chapter out in um 1426 00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,079 Arizona several years ago people it was 1427 00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:33,720 packed and people want to talk about the 1428 00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,980 spiritual they don't want to talk about 1429 00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:36,900 just nuts and bolts because there's 1430 00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:39,000 something about this is beyond lights in 1431 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:42,180 the sky now move on some chapters are 1432 00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,040 going back to the hardcore nuts and 1433 00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:46,440 bolts but some of them are saying no no 1434 00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:48,540 no we need to we need to keep talking 1435 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:51,540 about this so it's little baby steps and 1436 00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:56,040 increments but this phenomenon is about 1437 00:59:01,490 --> 00:58:58,500 transformation 1438 00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,500 that's it an elevation of consciousness 1439 00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:03,180 we keep hearing that all the time right 1440 00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:05,339 that's it that's what this is about it's 1441 00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:07,319 not about just you can get caught up 1442 00:59:12,910 --> 00:59:10,500 into that you can get caught up into it 1443 00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,920 was well happen this is 1444 00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:15,359 yes it happened there's enough 1445 00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,460 circumstantial evidence if you were in a 1446 00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:19,619 court of law that they would say this 1447 00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,500 happened so it's like an atheist who's 1448 00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,960 still arguing whether virgins have 1449 00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,119 babies whether Jesus rise from the dead 1450 00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:29,040 that's not the question we want to be 1451 00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:31,740 talking about now it's old it's tired we 1452 00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:33,299 want to talk about okay you're an 1453 00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,579 atheist I'm not how can we get together 1454 00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:37,740 and change this world 1455 00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:40,799 okay how can we get together and raise 1456 00:59:45,289 --> 00:59:42,599 the vibrate we don't have to agree 1457 00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:45,299 but how can we do this and you and we 1458 00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,339 can it's easy to get caught up in this 1459 00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,619 stuff and it keeps us divided 1460 00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:52,020 Keeps Us divided the devil lies in the 1461 00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:54,900 details right the minutia gets you off 1462 00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:57,480 your game and you miss you too many 1463 01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:59,099 trees and you missed the forest for the 1464 01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:01,500 trees yeah you know people call in what 1465 01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:02,700 are you talking about Consciousness for 1466 01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:04,260 what the president can't prove that or 1467 01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,819 whoever doesn't have to be president but 1468 01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,099 okay so okay you got a problem with that 1469 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:10,740 what about this story uh resonates with 1470 01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:12,660 you where have you heard this before 1471 01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:14,280 have you heard five other people say 1472 01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:17,400 that all of them lying can you revisit 1473 01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:19,140 this or something that's what you want 1474 01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:20,280 to do 1475 01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,980 and it's not the burden of proof the 1476 01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:25,079 burden of proof is not on us the burden 1477 01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:26,760 of proof is 1478 01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,420 to do your own research 1479 01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,980 free will come into this too like people 1480 01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:34,200 say well if aliens are really taking 1481 01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:35,940 care of us or looking over us why don't 1482 01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,740 they fix our ozone layer and why don't 1483 01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:39,720 they you know decontaminate our planet 1484 01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,020 and if they are connected with God or 1485 01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:45,359 Spirit we still have free will it's not 1486 01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,460 that they couldn't interject but it 1487 01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,740 would completely remove Free Will and in 1488 01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:51,960 all of our doctrines of scripture it 1489 01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:54,299 tells us we have the right to choose we 1490 01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:57,240 can choose yes God or not so they're not 1491 01:01:02,809 --> 01:00:59,640 helping us because it's our problem it's 1492 01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,819 for us to choose and yeah yeah it's like 1493 01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,440 a kid you know it's like you know but 1494 01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:06,420 and and I like that statement because 1495 01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:09,540 why don't you fix my problem for me so I 1496 01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:11,579 don't have to grow exactly I don't have 1497 01:01:17,089 --> 01:01:15,000 to be accountable I I mess this up 1498 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,099 so but you fix it because you're God you 1499 01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:19,260 fix it see there's no growth there 1500 01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:22,020 there's no growth there's entitlement 1501 01:01:26,089 --> 01:01:24,359 there's you fix this I messed it up but 1502 01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,099 you fixed it I don't even have time for 1503 01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,260 that anymore I mean my daughter knows 1504 01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:31,200 better than that my daughter's 16. yeah 1505 01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,059 it's like the the saying what is it give 1506 01:01:36,910 --> 01:01:35,040 a man a fish he eats for a day but teach 1507 01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:36,920 a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime 1508 01:01:43,069 --> 01:01:40,619 so if somebody just does for us we don't 1509 01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:43,079 get the the skill set to prevent it from 1510 01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,059 happening and if let's say miraculously 1511 01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,799 they did fix our planet we would do some 1512 01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:49,200 other stupid nonsense and be right back 1513 01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:51,540 to where we are now it's the it's the 1514 01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:54,299 human condition is the issue and again 1515 01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:56,819 we need to connect globally whether 1516 01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,160 that's on a conscious level but if we 1517 01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:01,380 all raise our vibration and start with 1518 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:03,480 just fixing ourselves stop worrying 1519 01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:05,819 about your neighbor fix you because if 1520 01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,740 everybody did that it would be a much 1521 01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:10,140 better place because not everybody's 1522 01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:11,640 doing that you know it will be it would 1523 01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:15,359 be a very different one yeah and on that 1524 01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,059 um just one last question for me do you 1525 01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:19,920 guys think that Consciousness is 1526 01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:23,280 universal in nature meaning that you 1527 01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,780 know you got the big bang that happened 1528 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,700 and you got the cool down that happened 1529 01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:29,160 you know clusters or rocks are informing 1530 01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,339 planets and Suns and that's all nature 1531 01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:34,619 but the Consciousness seems to be the 1532 01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:36,299 next step in the evolution of the 1533 01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:38,760 universe because we're conscious these 1534 01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,020 things seem to be conscious as well 1535 01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:42,720 whatever these entities are and it might 1536 01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:44,940 be something that is universal that the 1537 01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:46,859 universe itself is conscious through 1538 01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,079 these minute little groups of different 1539 01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,540 species and they're just trying to 1540 01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:54,000 Elevate us to that what we should be at 1541 01:02:58,670 --> 01:02:55,619 to match up with what's already out 1542 01:03:01,309 --> 01:02:58,680 there so that's just a theory but Louie 1543 01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:01,319 do you think this is possible I I do 1544 01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,240 think everything it's like the Planck 1545 01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:05,400 scale the Consciousness look at quantum 1546 01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,040 physics and quantum mechanics nothing is 1547 01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:10,319 anything unless it's observed or unless 1548 01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,319 it has a purpose a reason to be and the 1549 01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:15,359 big bang and Consciousness to me is a 1550 01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:17,040 chicken in the egg you don't have one 1551 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,260 without the other okay the Big Bang it's 1552 01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,640 a scientific explanation How the 1553 01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:22,799 Universe started who made the Big Bang 1554 01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:25,740 or said Let It Be it doesn't refute God 1555 01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:28,440 in my mind at all I think we get so 1556 01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,780 wrapped up in that it doesn't conform to 1557 01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:33,119 what we think therefore we throw the 1558 01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:34,559 whole thing out like Michael said you 1559 01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:35,940 throw the baby out and the bath water 1560 01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:38,520 like we need to really just a lot of 1561 01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:40,740 kids then judgment Jacques valet told us 1562 01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:43,140 that we said Jacques you're like 80 what 1563 01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:44,339 do you want to tell the world and he 1564 01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:47,220 goes suspend judgment like don't be so 1565 01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:49,740 big on yourself get rid of your ego you 1566 01:03:53,950 --> 01:03:52,260 know so but to answer the question I do 1567 01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:53,960 believe Consciousness isn't everything 1568 01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:56,520 the only difference between potential 1569 01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,880 energy and matter is consciousness and 1570 01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:01,740 quantum mechanics and quantum physics is 1571 01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,020 proving that now so I think it is in 1572 01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:06,480 everything yes yes I I agree I I would 1573 01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,660 just say this I I I'm I I wrote a sermon 1574 01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:11,880 that I'll do a couple weeks from now 1575 01:04:15,789 --> 01:04:13,140 called 1576 01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:15,799 um uh what does it mean to be sentient 1577 01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:19,380 and you know Aboriginal People's First 1578 01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:21,299 Nations peoples here on our continent 1579 01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,940 have original people's uh 1580 01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:26,640 Viking I mean they knew that creation 1581 01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:29,819 was sacred and they knew that even the 1582 01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,000 very Stones had a consciousness uh that 1583 01:04:38,809 --> 01:04:35,099 the Earth was consciousness 1584 01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:38,819 uh that the trees that the plants were 1585 01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,400 all conscious and we know that now they 1586 01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:43,520 did they just was saying it in their way 1587 01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:47,760 and to the eurocentric Western notion it 1588 01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:50,880 was so unscientific a lot of the things 1589 01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:54,359 that Western science is discovering our 1590 01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:56,579 ancestors already knew 1591 01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:00,240 they already knew and so I think we need 1592 01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,819 so when people talk about new age or 1593 01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,319 what have you I say there's no such 1594 01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:06,240 thing as new age there's new wisdom 1595 01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:09,480 being rediscovered yeah math was always 1596 01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:11,480 there we just figured it out you know 1597 01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:14,339 we've been there yeah well you know and 1598 01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:15,599 we thought that we thought these people 1599 01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,740 were crazy what are you talking about 1600 01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,960 the trees and the Rock people and the 1601 01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:21,359 stone Nations and whatever but they were 1602 01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:23,640 trying to say that 1603 01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:26,040 um there was a sacred energy in all 1604 01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,059 things 1605 01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:28,799 because we all come from that Source 1606 01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,140 there's an intelligence yeah it's 1607 01:05:35,329 --> 01:05:33,240 entanglement we come from The Big Bang 1608 01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:35,339 everything is therefore entangled 1609 01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:38,220 because of it it was one and now it is 1610 01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:40,260 many but we are still connected on some 1611 01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:42,540 level that we don't quite understand 1612 01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:43,920 yeah because they keep talking about how 1613 01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:46,140 the universe will eventually just die 1614 01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,839 out will fade out all the Suns will stop 1615 01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:51,359 burning and it'll just go cold I'm like 1616 01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:52,920 that's not it what about all the 1617 01:05:56,030 --> 01:05:54,540 Consciousness that's been created from 1618 01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:56,040 that the Consciousness is the next 1619 01:06:01,490 --> 01:05:58,740 evolution in the universe it's the next 1620 01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:01,500 step it's what's supposed to happen and 1621 01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:03,660 we're just now the infancy of our 1622 01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,640 awareness and being able to treat each 1623 01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:08,040 other with somewhat moderate you know 1624 01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:09,720 respect 1625 01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:11,220 um and and you look at everything that's 1626 01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:13,319 taken place to lead us to this point I 1627 01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,180 mean we're here we are in uh you know 1628 01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:18,720 2023 talking on Zoom that's amazing like 1629 01:06:22,370 --> 01:06:20,579 you know it would take us months to 1630 01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,380 travel to you Michael and and talk to 1631 01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,960 you back you know even 56 well not 50 1632 01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:27,599 but let's say uh you know 60 to 100 1633 01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:29,700 years ago like it would take forever and 1634 01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:32,280 here we are able to do it and that is 1635 01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:34,260 creating connections between people that 1636 01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:36,780 have never happened before and making us 1637 01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:38,520 realize the world's a lot smaller and 1638 01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,740 maybe you know every time somebody's 1639 01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,240 being a douchebag somebody's recording 1640 01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:44,400 them now and posting them on Tech talk 1641 01:06:48,289 --> 01:06:46,140 or Facebook so I mean everybody's 1642 01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:48,299 exposed for the bad things that they do 1643 01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:50,220 which sort of forces us to be good in 1644 01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,240 public because you never know when 1645 01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:53,339 you're going to be recorded right but 1646 01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,559 yeah I I think personally uh 1647 01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:57,480 Consciousness is really cool and it's 1648 01:07:02,089 --> 01:06:59,700 got some sort of part to play in all of 1649 01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:02,099 this for sure uh Michael where could we 1650 01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:05,220 find your uh your book sir 1651 01:07:13,069 --> 01:07:10,020 um if you go to uh amazon.com uh all 1652 01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,079 five books are there you can go to 1653 01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,119 Barnes and Nobles 1654 01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:18,359 and uh you could find all the books 1655 01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:21,599 there you can reach me at Michael J S 1656 01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:25,440 Carter gmail.com you can email me I I 1657 01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:27,420 don't use my website much but it is 1658 01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:31,920 Michael J S carter.com and uh you can 1659 01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,500 reach me that way Facebook 1660 01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:36,599 I have a Facebook fan page and I have a 1661 01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:38,520 regular page but I answer everything 1662 01:07:44,089 --> 01:07:41,400 there so those are the ways you can get 1663 01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:44,099 in touch with me nice Louie do you have 1664 01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:45,480 any final questions for our guest today 1665 01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:47,579 no I just want to extend a warm thanks 1666 01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:49,380 for uh sitting with us in our virtual 1667 01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,539 living room here and uh many thousands 1668 01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,799 of people to listen to our show and 1669 01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:54,780 watch our videos we do really appreciate 1670 01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,420 it uh it's difficult to find 1671 01:08:01,789 --> 01:08:00,240 people that have an educated opinion and 1672 01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:01,799 you've gone through you know formal 1673 01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:04,140 theology theological training 1674 01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:06,359 um but you've adapted your your mindset 1675 01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,700 your beliefs you've become universally 1676 01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:10,500 minded and I think we all need to be a 1677 01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:12,180 little more that way yes a little less 1678 01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:14,599 rigid just because you were told a story 1679 01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:18,060 90 years ago or you know 20 years ago if 1680 01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:20,460 you're young it doesn't mean it's meant 1681 01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:22,920 to be taken word for word fact for fact 1682 01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:25,140 there are important points but don't 1683 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:27,480 have your blinders on because you're 1684 01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,460 always being enlightened and as you grow 1685 01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:31,920 you can absorb more so don't limit 1686 01:08:37,729 --> 01:08:34,440 yourself to just what your Bible of 1687 01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:37,739 Doctrine said is that and much more and 1688 01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:40,020 it's just to try to help you get that 1689 01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:41,880 understanding so thank you for breaking 1690 01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,739 that down in a logical way that 1691 01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:45,600 everybody can understand and uh thank 1692 01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:46,980 you so much for being our guest we'd 1693 01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:48,600 love to have you back sometime listen 1694 01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,380 anytime anytime anytime 1695 01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,239 awesome you need me to fill in or 1696 01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:56,400 something if I can do it you called well 1697 01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:58,500 we appreciate it and we will call you on 1698 01:09:01,450 --> 01:08:59,880 that but not that we need you to fill in 1699 01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:01,460 just that we want to have you back 1700 01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:04,460 anytime we want you back yeah 1701 01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:08,540 we'd be great guests for panels yeah 1702 01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:11,339 let me know hey guys oh so would you 1703 01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,660 send me a link when this comes out 1704 01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:14,699 absolutely for sure we're gonna wrap our 1705 01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:16,679 show right now 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01:09:45,239 Reverend Michael Carter thank you so 1720 01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:47,219 much for being here man we we have love 1721 01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,040 for you we feel Brotherly Love Yes uh 1722 01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:52,319 you made our day so thanks very much and 1723 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:53,940 uh thanks from all of our fans I'm sure 1724 01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:56,640 shout out again brother give me a call 1725 01:10:04,710 --> 01:09:59,100 be safe both of you perfect thank you